Last week I talked with my friend Mark Silver–Sufi healer, owner of Heart of Business, all-around mensch, and wickedly good player of Ultimate Frisbee.

We talked about soul and spirit as well as money and business. We explored the perils and pitfalls of popular approaches to abundance and manifestation.

Our conversation kept returning to the inner connection that makes it possible for us to approach life, business and money from our wholeness, rather than from fear and fragmentation.

In June, Mark will once again teach his 8-week course,The Heart of Money. If you’d like to know more about his approach, check out his no-cost teleclass on Wednesday.

You can listen to our conversation by using the player below:

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Please join the conversation. I’d love to hear your thoughts on money, soul, and business.